GGaD » hidden sails wip thread

Time · October 5, 2024 03:41:38

So I figured I should start up a wip thread for hidden sails to show that there's actual progress going on! I figured this section was decent enough.

Time · October 5, 2024 03:45:35

expect updates here and there! naturally there will be spoilers attached so peruse at your own risk. I'm wondering if I should filter it to lighter spoilers, or if I should just give a heads up on how big a spoiler something is from post to post.

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Time · October 5, 2024 13:58:37

I suppose I should put something up here to start it off. I'm not too sure how formatted I want this to be, but here is only character who I know has a character arc and design that I am satisfied with.

This is Calista, the deuteragonist. Calista isn't her actual name, but rather a temporary placeholder name for me.

I find her arc and premise to be very interesting, but you will be getting none of it for now. It was definitely interesting enough for me to consider placing her as lead protagonist, but I am pretty sure she fits best as deuteragonist. The reason why because I feel the current main protagonist has a much more interesting arc. That, and I feel much like the events of Hidden Sails is a very strong springboard for her character type and the relations that she will have other characters (namely the main protagonist).

Also, I feel that her story is told from an external PoV that being the protagonist's PoV. It may be best that we see it externally, so we do not know what she is thinking. That, and I feel the current protagonist's actions may require some internal dialogue here and there to get a better sense of understanding of what he does at specific points. But we'll see.

Time · October 5, 2024 14:21:31

While I have much of the character ideas, not all of them are exact. Eventually when I have more structure established. I'll post some of her character pillars later

SpecterTheGreat · October 16, 2024 16:31:52

Kinda late to post a reaction to this so just 👀👀👀

Time · October 16, 2024 20:31:48

indeed, hopefully I have more to show soon!

Side note, peak pfp you've chosen, btw. (when specter eventually changes it, it's a fanart image of Blind Obsession Ishmael)

GalaxianExplosion · October 17, 2024 18:07:15

You can't just call anything related to Ishmael peak, can you, Time?

-Galaxian-

Time · October 17, 2024 20:48:37

no, its just kinda peak 🥶

Echowo · December 7, 2024 00:37:23

Time, one spoiler or hint at any sort of lore and my life is yours 🙏

Time · December 7, 2024 18:12:48

stop don't remind me that the last time I posted here was 3 months ago 😭

I'll be real I'm currently working on a ttrpg character's lore. I've been stuck on him for a few weeks, but I should be wrapping up soon and free to circle back to Hidden Sails. Plus winter break plus me making it a habit to write every day

Echowo · December 7, 2024 18:15:44

Awawawawawawa

Time · December 8, 2024 00:37:53

Don't awawawa me bruh

Time · December 11, 2024 15:25:57

Ok, for like I think maybe 80% or so I'm done with the big chunk of writing character ttrpg things. I don't think I'll ever stop writing stuff for my ttrpg table, but usually whenever a I have to develop character lore it takes a lot more focus and time. Yk? For like right now as an example, I'll be probably writing up a thought experiment for fun concerning the actions that we must take this upcoming session. Mostly just for me but also to consider multiple arguments concerning the dubious morality that will happen.

Anyways, this is a hidden sails update thread, isn't it?

After a long ass while of writing other stuff, I've arrived back to hidden sails. I'll admit, I was lazy, and I wanted to cut some corners in developing the premise/ a moral choice. The truth is I need to think on it even more. Now, you may think I do a lot of thinking, but the truth is I really don't lol.

A while back I arrived at a moral choice/moral argument that I thought would suffice for The Hidden Sails, but as I've consumed some more content, I realized that it failed to do so. Not because it was a faulty argument or lackluster, but because it wasn't me. I currently am in the mindset of needing to find a moral argument that truly touches my soul. Or smth like that. That sounds cringe as hell, so let me restate it.

I need to find a moral argument that I truly believe.

I want to go think deeper on the exploration of humanity. And present an argument that really resonates with me. Something beyond the "Oh btw you should never ever give up" because that's very generic and unspecified. Maybe the moral argument that I am looking for is a more detailed version of "never give up" maybe it's something completely different. Nevertheless, we will have to see what it is.

Time · December 11, 2024 15:45:00

Just as importantly, I believe I should look into crafting the antagonist's moral argument. That is something I may have to dig deep into that I just realized.

It can't be an argument that is easy to disprove, like, "Oh btw everything is all worthless and you should give up"

A moral argument requires a decision to make. I don't think if I placed such a hopeless argument against the hero's argument, it would ever give a tough decision to make, not to mention it wouldn't even put up a good fight or add much nuance.

so, I believe I need to create 2 moral arguments, however, one must be "stronger" to to just overcome the other.

Much of (good) stories is really just a battle between differing moral arguments after all. I remember hearing from one of the philosophy club board members that really a good way to start in philosophy or pick it up is legit just reading fiction. Many stories have such philosophies intertwined anyways. Idk why it took me so long to realize while it was clearly in my face, but this will be my next goal for the inter break. I'll have to ponder on this.

Echowo · December 20, 2024 19:08:31

owooooooo

Time · December 20, 2024 19:17:43

oh my GAH i'm so pissed (for no good reason)

I was just scrolling through my feed and I got the EXACT question that I have been asking myself to help develop hidden sails

and a whole like, argument/answer built upon it

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Ok I think I'm not pissed. It's more like possessed by a need to get a move on. Motivation? Excitement?

The truth of the matter is irl I have a friend that I feel like I can speak the most philosophical and interesting of questions to. We don't talk often, but when we do, it's like 5+ hours of just introspective thoughts verbalized.

I hope to talk to him in order to help develop the overarching themes of Hidden Sails or really just the stories I wish to tell in general. The questions are very like, "the essence of humanity" focused or whatever and I feel he's the only person I can talk to that will understand what I'm trying to get at.

The only thing is

He's sick 💀

Echowo · December 20, 2024 20:15:41

Time wrote:
oh my GAH i'm so pissed (for no good reason)

Me when I'm pissed (for no good reason)

Anyway, RIP hope your friend heals soon so we can get content (also heals soon because being sick is Not Good)

Time · December 30, 2024 15:22:42

I had a convo (not with the friend) but I just realized I have been wayyyy overloaded on creative projects for a good while.

I mean if I was doing story writing as a full time job I think I could manage it, but I'm also a student in college.

It helped me understand why my projects are all moving so slowly, but idk what to do on the end of making sure everything progresses at a satisfying speed.

On that note, I will be having a chat with my friend sometime soon, and I think from there I'll have even a stronger structure to continue building off of. You see, we like having in person convos, and it's sometimes hard to plan there.

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Time · January 2, 2025 19:04:58

Convo with friend has been had...

And it produced lackluster results, unfortunately. In terms of finding additional themes for my story. Otherwise it was good to catch up

I guess what I learned from the interaction is simply I alone must envision these themes and questions.

At least for the most part.

Time · January 2, 2025 19:05:34

Still, I said I'll produce an update on the second, so when I get home I'll think of something.

Echowo · January 4, 2025 02:18:14

RIP 😔

Time · January 4, 2025 13:42:16

That being said, it wasn't fruitless, there was still some things that I think could be acted upon

I just need to put them into words

Time · January 5, 2025 01:13:04

totally random, but I remembered a few months back I wrote a bunch of brainstorm cool twist ideas and stuff for hidden sails.

Thank goodness I wrote them down because by now I would have forgotten them lol.

I guess right now, for the next few days, I'll be doing the exact same thing, though instead of thinking of spectacles, I'll be brainstorming themes. for characters.

Damn... 2-ish years and I haven't even thought of the themes huh? I guess it's fine if I'm really trying to find something that speaks to me.

Time · January 7, 2025 17:54:28

I know I was waying I was going to post smth on the 2nd, but nothing came through...

however, I have been making some nice progress on what I was hoping to complete with that friend of mine. Definitely enough to post some stuff on, but I would like to go through every main cast character to see what fits them.

SpecterTheGreat · January 13, 2025 22:39:20

👁️👁️

Time · January 13, 2025 22:55:20

I think that one time you were right, specter

just get on with it

I think I really should. I really should get my step up and get moving with what I have right now.

I was going to say, I did actually start writing like a year ago, but I scrapped it and I've been sitting on idea collecting ever since

I think that's another issue of mine, I just dunno when to start. I idea collect too much.

I don't think I should start writing just yet, its just I've been dwelling on the same structure steps for too long.

I mean, if you think building structure counts as writing, then yeah, I'm writing.

Time · January 13, 2025 22:58:25

but I have been structuring for two years

yeah I have, but its not a continuous thing. Its on and off, I think of something, I scrap it, I think of something, I add it. I don't think of anything, for the most part, and then it continues on.

and I guess the reason why I haven't been able to make much progress is because I have bee heavily fixating on the beginning of structure. Themes and that sorta stuff. The first step. I've been fussing all over about the first step while I have a marathon left to run, you know?

Tuti · January 13, 2025 23:02:29

drop something, a crumb! or else I may drop my OC form for Hidden Sails.

Time · January 14, 2025 22:19:03

mayhaps

we shall see what I have

Time · January 15, 2025 04:39:14

Ok, making it a point tmrw. I will update this thread with something. Anything. Legit anything I will update it with