Great! And thanks : )

Last edited by Effervescence (May 15, 2022 04:56:43)

Sorry, this might be a tad of a long post, so feel free to stop reading if you feel like doing so, lol.
The biggest problem that I see with this still has to be with deities' abilities. From what I've observed, it's generally been established that when those abilities are connected to their domains, other deities don't have the ability to influence those domains, other than just removing deityhood outright, which I presume isn't the case here. And of course there's the fact that the negation would be too convenient. The deities can fight with their powers but can't use whatever facets of their abilities to do the singular action of leaving? Suspension of disbelief is definitely valid, but it feels a little off in this case, seeing as how powerful the entities we're dealing with are (at least in comparison to people in similar plots, who are usually just...people. If you get what I mean). 
Another problem is, practically speaking, what would happen to Forengard if most of the active deities (the ones with good intentions) are gone, even if momentarily. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to be bound, but I think it might be unwise if the deities are all bound to the place only, because it's very unlikely that this plot would be short enough for that to not have repercussions. As just one example, it feels like the perfect opportunity for the Corrupted Deities to wreak havoc, and it also feels like even if Nox is allied with the CDs or something, that would be entirely too convenient, something that the CDs should have come up with already. And personally speaking, I've used the concept of Nullification before, so I would think that it's probably not the first time a deity/entity with powers on the tier of a god would be able to do this. It's most likely impractical to elevate a certain domain above all others, even if there does exist, to an extent, a current imbalance between domains.

By this point, you can obviously just tell me to go away lol, but what I'd suggest is that the deities have a reason for focusing on this little "pocket dimension" outside of "we can't get out." One, that gives deities who can leave a reason to stay, if they haven't figured out another one already, and two, it makes more sense to me, realistically speaking, in terms of how the GGaD world works. Just throwing out (probably bad) ideas here, but for instance, what if this pocket dimension has garnered some sort of property that could influence the rest of Forengard that deities need to unite to stop? In this case, maybe the people who have already been fighting inside the dimension, many of whom I presume are deities, have resulted in a buildup of a phenomenon that no singular deity could stop at this point--one that could influence Forengard catastrophically--and Nox's negation-related powers have made it so this accumulation hasn't been able to be detected up to now or something like that. I just feel generally that plots are usually better when characters have some will in what they decide to do since, not to sound too evil here, when they inevitably screw up, the consequences are bigger compared to something that happens when they couldn't help it outright.

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I think I had more to say, but I'll cut it there for now. I think those are the main points.
Personally speaking, I would love to participate if I have the time, but I am very worried about my capability to ruin plots, which is a very real thing. So, it's probably better if I'm on the sidelines, at least for a long time. I have very valid reasons for why Galaxian wouldn't dabble in this sort of thing, so it could be said I have more reasons for him to not participate compared to him participating. 
That being said, I could have him participate...but the thing is, I'd put so much in my own hands that I think that might frustrate others. So, I've explained some things below to see if that helps in clarifying my perspective.
On Galaxian's end, his overall motive would be to help others, as usual. If he were to decide that direct participation would be both practical and the best way to go about accomplishing this, he'd do so. But for him, there isn't really any way for me to avoid having him being able to leave the pocket dimension. If nothing else, he is the god of the Cosmos, which means that he's able to travel anywhere in the, well, cosmos. And even that aside, one of his abilities is creating multiple forms of himself, which means that he can be multiple places in the same time.
That being said, seeing as Nox is unfamiliar with him, there is the possibility that he could create a form of himself specifically for this pocket dimension so that requirements are met. That singular form would be bound to the place, if you decide to keep that aspect. I don't consider him to be a powerful deity in terms of combat, either, but in that aspect, I think he'd probably also balance that by eliminating at least one of his domains' influences on that form only. By doing so, that form is easier for him to sustain. And I think that, no matter the situation, the domain that's best temporarily removed for him is the domain over life, which makes it a little easier for him in terms of just generally staying conscious. 
To summarize, if it's okay for me to participate, I'll try to keep within the confines of what you dictate as the creator of this plot, but if nothing else, I do hope that you consider some of the points I've brought up, given that they are actually worth considering. And I hope this post overall was actually somewhat helpful this time. I tried, at least. xD
Good luck to everyone participating! I hope you have fun. It's definitely an interesting idea, and I hope that what I've said doesn't imply that I view otherwise.

-Galaxian-

Thanks for the consideration! Yeah, I think I'll keep Galaxi out for now. He's never been one for being at the forefront; in Chinese, he's better at 把关ing (real helpful of me, I know). As of now, it makes more sense for him to focus on protecting the main sectors. He trusts the other deities in terms of resolving situations, since they're more mature and experienced than him, and overall it's a better focus for him, especially considering the threats he knows are there.
However, if any of y'all do need him for something specific, let me know and I can do that. He's not one for leadership, but he can do some supply sending and loyalty-based protection, just to list two examples. (And if any deity meetings are needed, he can coordinate those as well. He has handy domains, lol.)
I do think that it would really help this plot if we had better contact with the people involved in the CD plot, especially Xenon, since from what I recall we were basically planning the climax of the plot, and any role Nox would have in it would probably be better coordinated due to that. The plot here seems pretty important, and it feels like if it were combined with what we already had planned, the uncorrupted deities would definitely be lambasted for bad planning (again), but I guess we can go with whatever and work out any issues later.

-Galaxian-

Yep! Less work for me and more work for him B) (though I'm mostly relying on NPC deities, to be fully honest; there's no way he could manage as one entity. He can screw things up real fast.)

Thanks for reaching out to Xenon, by the way! And as my response to what you asked, I actually wasn't very involved with the plot at all (I mostly just did my annoying personal summarization thing as a spectator, which I have been conveniently showcasing to you), so I'm not too sure who was involved. Mockingjay left both the roleplay and its server. I guess Chan? I do know that Time was involved with it (he has two CD characters, one of which was originally a character of Mockingjay's), as was Specter (for their first deity, Bixbite), so asking them would probably be more practical compared to me lol.
And Boardhost is more convenient for me (since I have access to it more often and can type my annoyingly constructed sentences at a much faster speed), so thank you for directing him here lol

-Galaxian-

Hey all!
It's been a hot minute since i thought about CD plot stuff, so I don't remember everything i had plotted out. The gist of it was that Oganesson was raising an undead army from the Mortem Doors to eliminate deities who weren't corrupted, I think. Here is the link to the Mortem Doors wiki page, for reference. 

I like the ideas of what I've skimmed through so far, and while I don't completely understand everything about this, I have a couple of ideas for what might be so enticing about Eternal's domain. Also, are the CDs involved because Nox is one, or just as an idea for the importance of the domain?

i remember hearing about nox potentially being the source, but i think it wasn't ever put in canon. i think people had their own concepts/ideas for how and why deities corrupted so putting it into a single point/source didn't make sense for lore reasons. but yeah, active deities disappearing to another dimension would probably cause CDs (if they weren't zapped) to try and take advantage while they have free reign

Effervescence wrote:

I did think however, that so many of the deities in one place could cause some issues with forengard (i.e. issues with reality like gravity not working in some places, random objects and mortals appearing and disappearing, etc.), and deities having to work out how to fix it. That could definitely be an incentive for them to stay and try to find something in the dimension to fix that.

wait, are they trapped there? because if not, wouldn't them just leaving be able to fix it?

overall i don't see this as super plausible to begin with, because we've had events with deities all in the same place (meetings, battles, parties) and there were no effects on forengard. 

alright! i'll think of some as well—hope you sleep well!

Good night, Effervescence!
Just to be clear, all quality idea generation is coming from you guys, since the brain I usually have is the 3 A.M. version that doesn't actually work

But to continue on with the (yet again) long post I was making, I thought that the CDs might be related to this because it feels like regardless of Nox's personal motives, the idea itself feels too good to be something apart from what the CDs would scheme. It felt as if some cooperation between the two parties--if they're even that separate--should definitely be there. Nox is able to do something that the CDs can't do, somehow, which is to confine a large number of uncorrupted deities to a little dimension, whether physically (so they can't leave) or by other means (so they have a reason for why they can't leave and need to deal with the situation very quickly; maybe connected to the prior reason, or maybe not. Maybe they can leave, but every time someone leaves like that, something very discouraging happens. Dunno. This part's probably on Nox). Meanwhile, the CDs definitely would want to split the deities up at the very least to increase their odds of success and decrease possible losses as well. Nox's capabilities would mean that they could try to wipe out the deities on the mainland and eventually deal with the trapped ones later. It might be a win-win scenario for the two parties, and so it might make sense for them to have coordinated something rather than being separate from each other, regardless of whether Nox is a Corrupted Deity herself or not.
But another issue that follows the above is why Nox is able to do the above. And I know I'm a hypocrite in this regard, but perhaps because I am, I feel like Nox isn't the first deity to have powers/abilities related to nullification, and the same stands for other abilities (of Eternal's and et cetera) that may have combined to result in whatever effect has manifested. So, even given that the dimension is constructed through collaboration (intentional or not), it feels off that now is the time that this would happen. Neither Nox nor the CDs are particularly new to Forengard, so it feels like this sort of scheme would have been hatched way before the present, or at least some precursor would have emerged long ago in the past, making it a little dubious that what will happen is so far away from said precursor. 
Unless, of course, there is a reason why now is the perfect time...?
It might not even be as dramatic as I'm implying. Maybe these morally questionable entities just thought this would be a really good time to mess things up even more and waited just to see how much the uncorrupted deities wouldn't do in preparation for their plans. But this could be made more complex if you wanted it. I personally specialize in going off of things that shouldn't work and making excuses until they do. I don't show that ability often, but it's real fun.

Now I awkwardly end there because my train of thought decided to swerve off the railings and gracelessly tumble all the way down the bridge :')

-Galaxian-

I kinda just threw up these ideas and posted them so by all means they are not clean or exact in any way. They're just ideas.

But essentially what I was thinking was maybe there's an object there that both sides seek? And that's a good reason for both sides to send in people?

But maybe only deities may enter since there's something blocking (maybe most? idk) mortals out or something?

Last edited by Time (May 16, 2022 22:15:36)

By the way, which deities can even participate in this? I know Time and Ark will probably be there, but I am unironically blanking on anyone else. Chronos' magic isn't fully recovered (and Eliza hasn't posted here yet either), but it feels like her going with Time definitely wouldn't be a safe option (which is kind of my concern on Time's participation, with his concern about his sister and possibility that he'll have to use what he might see as less reliable methods to try to keep her safe). And iirc, Ark (possible spoiler for the CD plot?)

had the potential to go traitor, even if temporarily

, which isn't an ideal situation when we're sending in a limited number of uncorrupted deities in the first place (not to mention that Time's corrupted version might be there as well, which already counterbalances what he can do to a pretty great extent).
And even for forumers who are currently inactive in terms of roleplaying, I can't really think of any dependable deity allies coming from them. Specter has one inactive deity and then one corrupted deity (Shatter), which obviously doesn't help with the above.  Echo's characters both have plot going on that could make things worse if exploited by the CDs (in my interpretation), in the event that either/both of their two deities were to get involved in this, and then someone else (who is currently inactive) has an inactive deity and a corrupted deity who exists somewhere in Forengard, which is kinda the same situation as that with Specter's characters.
Generally speaking, I am just not seeing a very good battle plan for the uncorrupted deities lol. We have a bunch of physically and/or emotionally vulnerable people, a Forengard to try to keep in shape, and general Problems both inside and outside This Plot, Related Plots, and Plots in General (TM). If this is true, then we might have to make some fundamental changes to how the plot centers on deities just to get more characters in, but I currently don't really know what that would look like.

Lol GGaD!Time just speedruns the entire thing

-Galaxian-

demigods would be a good idea, if that would work

maybe some gods could send in a proxy or something that they could control from the outside? Like a temporary duplicate of themselves, or something

Alright so that was one heck of a lot to read through but I’ll (try?) and address some of the stuff in order.

Firstly, as far as Nox is concerned, she is effectively drawing power from Eternal (who commands strong soul magic, potentially enough to bind deities to the location, if we do decide to go down that route) and mixing it with her own to augement the effects, as her powers are mostly focused on the redirection/nullification of magical energy.

I think a lot of the points Time suggested are worth looking into further- I like the idea that there is some artifact of immense power in said dimension, and that potentially instead of being trapped in the conventional sense there is instead sme kind of strong discouragement for leaving, and of course the incentive to find the power artifact. I think it could possibly even be the combined power of numerous artifacts (this reminds me of infinity stones lmao) or the artifact is fragmented somehow, to make it a little harder than simply grabbing said artifact and running off.

I think like Time said it would be interesting for the uncorrupted deities to be outnumbered for a change, though there would have to be some kind of advantage to prevent the uncorrupted deities from just getting pummeled.

I would like to mention that there is a species/race endemic to the dimension that would lean much more into the ‘good’ side. Although they are mortal I did plan to make a demigod of the race, however, I don’t think that one demigod is going to help a great deal tbh. Said species are called the Sanur for reference, and I will submit a form for them soon. There aren’t tons of Sanur about, they are a fairly small species.

Nox certainly doesn’t have any problems with killing mortals but she doesn’t really go out of her way to do so. I don’t think the proxy idea quite sits right to be honest, but others may disagree.

Questgiver Galaxian Lmao

No problem, thanks for dropping in lol

-Galaxian-