Though I will say I'm most likely not getting the best quality of sleep.

Yeah. That's really just a lot of video games I'm general isn't it. Fight fail and fight again.

Is it like, canon that restarting levels is a thing? Like hitting the restart button has a lore relevant plot point or something?

Ight. Same to you. Offer always open.

I think it's because I sleep late and wake up somewhat late for the normal person. On top of this, I often use electronics and don't "wind down" though I do use electronics in the dark. I don't like lots of electronic light.

Oh ok ok that makes sense a bit. Time travel in battle is kinda cool I suppose. I was just thinking resetting battles is canonical because in Limbus Company, it's somewhat canonical to lose in battles and stuff.

Yeah, people are about, but everything is (mostly) quiet by 00:00, especially on school nights. It's usually just me and one other dude on my floor that are up when when time starts to creep into 01:00 and stuff. I usually only fully enact on my night owl tendencies during weekends, of course.

Remember when I was someone who had a normal sleep schedule actually encouraged others to do that too?

I guess...? I think back when you said the MC is canonically amazing at strategy and had to rewind the clock I somehow misinterpreted it and thought that losing battles in gameplay is explained in the lore itself.

Which made me think of Limbus Company, a game where if a character dies in battle during gameplay, there is a lore explanation as to why they are still alive in the next level/next part of the story.

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

We're definitely in different schools then, is what I can say. xD

I mean there are just random loud people walking through the area during the middle of the night yeah, but I'm just thinking of my dorm in particular. Any night owls in the dorm hard to find because their either holed up in their room or just quiet and sitting around, you know?

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

Yeah. What happened? Did you realize the inspirational wonders of 1 A.M., when no one is supposed to talk to you and most people are asleep and the inhibition impulses of your brain are mostly shut off? (:

Yeah. Pretty much. Most importantly the "people not awake" part of it. Plus I wanted more time during the night.

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

Oh yeah, well, I'd say they're canonically amazing at strategy because they have to get through fighting world-ending threats consecutively without dying and without having access to boss gimmick guides. Plus canonically they have a set roster of characters on their side who might not have the greatest compatibility with each other and/or the fighting environment, while we players usually have like 60 different characters to choose from and teams of 6 customizable characters. With that in mind, I feel like usually (or occasionally?) not being able to beat someone first try is pretty dang good. (So basically, losing battles in gameplay is technically explained, but only for some, and it's usually temporary. Otherwise it's just us players sucking. xD)

Yeah putting that into perspective honestly makes it crazy. Like an actual strategic genius who adapts on the fly against world ending threats. I mean that's kinda crazy. And that is of course excluding the environment disadvantages and compatibility disadvantages. On a side note, I feel the low level of compatibility is a common trope in teams like these, isn't it?

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

May I ask what that is since I'm most likely not gonna play it anyways?

Sure, the explanation is pretty early on anyways so it's not like it's a huge spoiler.
The main character can "rewind the clock", healing a person's body as if it was going back in time. It comes at the cost of the MC feeling the pain or exhaustion of what they have to heal. In addition, this ablity is limited to a select few people that have a contract with the MC (the prerequisites of making a contract are unknown).

It can reverse fatigue, cure wounds, and even bring back people from the dead. The main group in this story aren't particularly powerful (yet), so instead they act more recklessly and rely on "numbers" to deal with stronger enemies (fight, get killed, rewind the clock, repeat)

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

The random loud people make up the unforgettable college dorm experience.
Your dormmates sound polite. xD

I shouldn't say dormmates, hall mates? Because dormmates makes me think roommates. But nah, it's just there are more quiet people compared to loud people. Don't mean they're nice.

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

Well, the information is provided by high-end tech, but it still is crazy to me too, like what you said.
What aspect of compatibility are you talking about? Personality, role, abilities-wise, or...?

Usually the first thing that shows up in my mind when talking about compatibility is personality. Because it's a lot more interesting than compatibility issues with powers.

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

Oh, I see, so it's like time manipulation tied to healing. Cool! 
So contracts just appear out of nowhere? Are they common or are they special plot-related events? Or maybe they all happened at or near the beginning?

Yeah, though mental awareness does not revert to before the clock is rewinded. It's helpful that people don't have to be briefed again on what is happening every time, but of course that means mental scars do not heal.

There have been a total of 12 contracts so far, and all of them have been in the prologue of the game. The actual details of making a contract is unknown. Apparently each character with a contract is specifically chosen, and have a "resonance" with the MC. It's a plot point that's rather mysterious and has a high chance of being explained later on (like a lot of other things in this game lol).

Well, my roommates were good and such so you were correct on that note

Oh I see I see well that's still interesting too you know. But y'know, I do enjoy serious character conflict within the team. Sorry to tie it back to LC, but while the team is doing better in terms of relationships currently (with exceptions), they were originally killing each other in their first few interactions 💀💀💀.

What's a few more memories of severe trauma when you already have a team of mentally unstable people?
Yeah there's a lot of stuff that's the story is promising for payoff down the line

tense alliances that ease into ones that are more favorable are nice. I mean, it certainty made a first impression on how much they don't work together when they actually kill each other. Shows how far they have to go if they want to work as a team.

Taking that metaphor, I wouldn't say it to be wrong to say that such a thing has happened already 💀

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Wait yeah I rewatched the scene and like, they didn't even kill each other for anything big, I think a few of them were arguing and then someone else killed them for being too loud. When they were revived, the ones who were arguing just got up and were about to start killing each other until someone else stepped in bruh 💀. Goes to show how much they don't like each other, or how much they respected their leader (the MC) back then.

We love laughing at fictional character's truama we love it lol

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I know right it sorta feels like that. A wide variety of personalities for sure. Huh. I didn't really explicitly think about it for now, but all the characters have a pretty defined personality that makes them really stands out, which is nice.

Oh uhhhhhh mb 💀. When you say implode, I was thinking exploding internally --> mental explosion --> mental breakdown lol. I'm still standing by that.

Well they were all initially built around stories that come from around the world (ex the main character is based off of the Divine Comedy). But I've heard some characters can be somewhat different from their book counterparts.

Yeah I think is because lots of the time the story is serious in tone.

It remidned me of an interpretation of the story was that may be relevant. That is: every character on the team has some sort of thing they grieve over. Whether that be a person, a dream, the past, the future, a moment of inaction or wrongful decision, something that they lost or something that they gained, every one of them grieving, and the MC is acting somewhat like a therapist, going through the motions of trying to peel back layers of pain as the story goes on. It also helps add onto that feeling when the enemies characters fight can be representations of humanity's sins and dreams.

So like, with that in mind, I think mental breakdowns aren't really that uncommon. That, or just having general truama.

I have definitely been considering it. The most I've read is a part of Don Quixote. I'm thinking of building myself up on reading stuff. Read the short stories and then go to the actual books. It can help a lot with theory crafting for future events and comparing characters

Yeah I think all the games that ProjectMoon makes are extremely depressing. They're all pretty angsty too, yeah. As for what is stopping them from reconciling it's usually a character/personality thing + events that are unresolved coming back.

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Oh I read that part of Don Quixote YEARS back, but when I did, I actually found it quite enjoyable, or at least that's what I remember. I need to personally reread it myself, if I want to remember everything. I just remember vague stuff like about a duel, windmills as giants, etc...

Most mentally stable person living in The City

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I think I'll start with the short stories first, you know? The ones that are like, 20 pages, like The Wings and Hell Screen

No it's just a goof. I realize now thinking my explanation as to why I said that you have to do some mental gymnastics 💀
We were talking about how everyone has trauma, how depressing the ProjectMoon universe is, and the fact you said "PTSD moment [sad]" made me think you were talking about the Sinners, so I say in response, "Most mentally stable person [should have been people] in The City" as a joke, implying that everyone living there is depressed and angsty. Kinda like "happiest man in Birmingham", which I think you should be familiar with.

But also yes you are correct the MC is definitely the most mentally stable of the entire group

Oh yeah, I remember The Lottery! I remember the story, but I just completely forgot the title. Some short stories I really liked were like, ones by Edgar Allen Poe like "The Cask of Amontillado" and "The Tell-Tale Heart". I especially liked the former because it was often a reading that would be used for essays and tests, so I already knew what to look for and I could just revisit and build upon my ideas.

Oops my bad. I should straighten things out.

The Sinners are the names of the playable characters in Limbus Company. So when you said PTSD moment I was assuming you were talking about the playable characters.

What? You haven't? I though we talked about it on someone's homethread, maybe Eliza's or Axel's. --> yt link with some swearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS94-_zy3Dg

Hmmm... yeah they should be, right? At least a little bit? I'm no psychiatrist but they correlate with each other at least for a little bit? Could they be the same thing?

Nah, the only place I mentioned it ever was in the absolute mess of ramblings on my writing thread ha. So you're good.

I remember the origin now. It was Ash's homethread, and it was Me, Ash, and Axel talking about Bloodborne. The city of Yharnam has a lot of European influence and has a lot of unfriendly people on the streets, so I made the joke of:

"Average Yharnam resident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhKR5yeNrrw" (it's the same guy just in a different vid)

I find it funny because Axel's comment is referencing the video I just posted here 💀

Who know the inner machinations of the human mind? Something something science and such.