Reached Bond 11 for Changgong :D

-Galaxian-

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

Reached Bond 11 for Changgong :D

-Galaxian-

 
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I think there was some thought about "How would the Not-Quad Squad react to __" but I cannot remember what that blank was.

-Galaxian-

知我者，谓我心忧；不知我者，谓我何求。

Pretty cool. 
Now I just gotta think about whose perspective this was talking about,,,

-Galaxian-

I kinda love my random F/GO conspiracies (all of them centered around Chinese people)

Like yes the actual rationale for Waver as Zhuge Liang is "He is the first Pseudo Servant" but I like to imagine the Chinese people are cooking up something and just not saying it. (Not to mention Jiang Ziya appears later this year and looks pretty sus ngl)
And then yeah the actual rationale for Yu Mei-ren not appearing in story canon is how she wouldn't really contribute anything but am I going to make conspiracies about that? Also yes. Especially because I can connect her with Changgong lol
Idk, but for all we know LB3 could've actually hidden an actual Chinese Lostbelt (:

Randomly just remembered how part of Kiaane's backstory is intentionally constructed around the saying "[they have] a face only a mother could love"
As in their face was fine but for certain reasons their biological parents...did some things, let's leave it at that.
They're on the stabby stabby list, those bastards.

-Galaxian-

Summarization of my creativity: Could've used HYXHN Kiaan's hairstyle for F/DA, but nooo I just had to make my life harder.
Googling "how to make a character really cute."

-Galaxian-

Think positive!
If I ever see the bastard again I can say: "Your personality is summarized by a Baidu page and your face is typical but ugly. You are the epitome of a meaningless existence. Go sink in a mudhole."

-Galaxian-

I suddenly wanted to post a random prairie dog image to a server so I did that, now you guys get the rest





Have a good day

Also let me know if you want more of my photography in the future. I have a feeling it might become a coping mechanism for stress/anxiety but I can just spam my mom with the photos instead lol

-Galaxian-

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

"What is forgiveness?" 

hmmmm?? Philosophical thinking question??

I see forgiveness as the act of letting go of negative feelings towards a person. It does not mean you have positive feelings towards them. I think it sometimes to be a more internal, personal thing. More like, you're doing it for yourself, rather than the person who harmed you. Holding resentment towards this person will do no good, and will eat away at you. Naturally, this does not mean you forget their actions, release them from punishment, or permit those actions to continue.

I don't know if I have said this here, but I do say this in real life, "Anger is one ugly emotion, and I wish to harbor none of it." or something to that effect. To me, forgiveness is recognizing the actions done, and deciding to handle them in a calm, collected, and logical way rather than one out of spite and fueled by emotion. I often try to replace my anger towards others by trying to reframe the situation. Replace it with a less negative, more neutral emotions and thoughts. Instead of hating a person, reframe my thoughts to, "I wish things turned better out better." or "I pity you." granted, the latter does still hold some negativity as it can sound more condescending, but I usually that thought process when viewing someone who I genuinely pity (ie people who are so trapped in their emotions that they can't control it), or when I'm just trying to reign my emotions in, but can't draw it entirely to neutrality.

GalaxianExplosion wrote:

  I have the right to be forgiven? And would anyone have the right to expect the victims to "forgive" rather than just move on? 

In my opinion, nobody has the right to expect anything, really. But this is especially true for forgiveness. Finding someone who can truly forgive is pretty hard, and I mean truely forgive. Being forgiven in a privilege, and people should understand that it's a chance to rebuild the relationship with the person, or to tie off the relationship with some sort of solid conclusion. Of course though, reading what you have written, I suspect our definitions of forgiveness may be different.

Last edited by Time (July 9, 2023 14:01:45)

Looks like I need to talk more about philosophy so I can bait you here xD
(Unfortunately forgiveness as a topic feels like it's more...spiritual and psychological to me but I think I do think about philosophy an awful lot xD)

So basically it's just a release of negative feelings and moving on, kind of like what I mentioned? For some reason that feels kinda anti-climatic to me. Maybe because yesterday's post was largely focused around my perception of the saying that "Forgiveness is a virtue." If it were defined as emotional release, then really it feels more like...a beneficial ability, y'know. Since ultimately it's for the benefit of oneself.
Again, I do agree with the component you mentioned, but that just makes forgiveness so...shallow, in my view, y'know? I myself try to keep my sentiments under control, as in I try not to feel negative feelings the majority of the time, and if I am experiencing said negative feelings, I try not to let them influence anyone who I don't have the right to influence (basically people who had nothing to do with whatever I'm sad/mad/etc. about). But someone who can say "Logically, I shouldn't always be angry at someone who did something stupid and influenced my life drastically" feels a lot more different than someone who can (genuinely) say, "It's okay, I trust they have the room to improve themselves and never make the same sort of mistake the next time. Life is full of obstacles, so maybe this was a challenge for both sides to share. I forgive them." (again, logically, not just with blind optimism. Though I will concede that even this statement is loaded with my personal bias in nuancing it to a large degree.)  

I tried translating forgiveness to Chinese to see if my view changes a bit. In Chinese, the term is "yuanliang." And it's more casual. My mom has done a lot of forgiving towards my mistakes, bad habits, and general existence (joking on the last bit ofc...I hope). But it does connect with what I mentioned--like yeah she's forgiving me because if she stayed angry that would not be good for her, but also because she loves me unconditionally as her kid. 
And yes, the "I'm her kid part" makes it more of a "Well duh" thing...but honestly I feel like it's rare, and more than good enough compared to certain individuals. Overall, it only somewhat encapsulates the "greater picture" portion of it to my interpretation.
So overall, I wonder if forgiveness is really more of a situationally defined thing? 'Cause I'm sure generally speaking, it's very different to forgive a stranger for a slight wrong, forgive a friend for them hurting you, or forgive someone who has committed a heinous crime against oneself or one's family/friend. It's just that situational definitions are so commonplace that I suppose I'm subconsciously striving for a generalization instead.

-Galaxian-

Since I revealed Time lore I suppose I should stick with it lol

I think the idea of forgiveness falls under philosophy. We are talking about the act of forgiving and how we think it affects our values, mind, and other people after all.

Anticlimactic? I personally disagree, though it could be possibly because I'm a largely introspective person. Forgiveness is primarily an internal ability that affects the user the most after all. I also don't think the way I view forgiveness is shallow. Rather, I think a better word is simple. Yes, the concept is simple, but by no means it's an easy task. Im working on the definition that shallow is not just simple, but easy and cannot be explored in detail. No worries though, no offense taken by your thoughts.

I also do agree that saying "Logically, I shouldn't always be angry at someone who did something stupid and influenced my life drastically" feels a lot more different than someone who can say, "It's okay, I trust they have the room to improve themselves and never make the same sort of mistake the next time. Life is full of obstacles, so maybe this was a challenge for both sides to share. I forgive them."

I think these two statements are two sides of the same coin. One is largely internal, while the other is largely external. Or at least that one can be considered more realistic, while the latter can be more optimistic. The difference is more or less placing faith in the other person to change, maybe?  I'm also assuming your vision (the latter) includes relinquishment of "punishment"?

I would say that no, forgiveness is not situationally defined, by my definition, since it's simply not holding ill will. The difference is varying levels of intensity and relationship.

I was going to write out multiple scenarios of varying intensity and relationship and how that affects forgiveness, but I feel that would be a lot of writing and you may not read that, so instead, I'll just summarize a bit.

So clearly, low level relationships, people like strangers, don't really command much presence in the average person. Not like high level relationships, like close friends and family. The same goes for intensity. Lower intensity things, like bumping into someone, or things that be considered to be minor accidents, result in things being easier to forgive. In opposition, higher intensity such as betrayal or stealing, things that directly harms trust in a relationship, are many times harder to forgive.

In addition, ease of forgiveness can alter in tone.

I believe what I am trying to say is that by simply my definition, forgiveness is not situational, but by yours, it probably is, since it has you placing faith in the other person's growth.

Or actually... if you want, you can further define what you mean by "situationally defined"

Time wrote:

I was going to write out multiple scenarios of varying intensity and relationship and how that affects forgiveness, but I feel that would be a lot of writing and you may not read that, so instead, I'll just summarize a bit.

Who are you, and what did you do with Time?
No, seriously, lemme just say real quick that I enjoy talking about topics like these. I just don't like arguments and fights. In fact, it feels more shallow to me when we all err on the safe side and never discuss anything. Topics like these might not be necessary to talk about, but I still find them super intriguing. So please don't worry about that, or at least please do minimize your worry while talking to me lol.

I can't say too much about where the idea falls under, because I'm not very good at categorizing. But if it helps, I added the psychological category because of the relation between forgiveness and emotional health, and the spiritual category because forgiveness is often correlated with [religious] belief. But both of those are because of my own impressions, and not really objective at all.

I think it's only anticlimactic (thank you for correcting the spelling btw) in my view because I saw forgiveness as being such a broad concept. As in being, y'know, something "greater than oneself." Someone doesn't just forgive, or is able to forgive, because they can be logically emotional (as I like to call it). They have something else they can see. And since I mentioned the situational component, I suppose I imagine the reason isn't individual-based, either.  I can definitely see--and to a degree, sympathize with--your perspective and your definition, even if I can only see little parts of those two things. But definition-wise I am for sure seeing a gap in how we perceive the concept, maybe due to our different personalities and backgrounds. It's still great to hear about, though. If forgiveness is truly just centered around that "internal ability" that you mentioned, then I think I understand it better than whatever I'm trying to grasp right now.
Culturally speaking, on my end, I have the Chinese tendency to inflate the importance and definition of anything that's labeled a virtue. So maybe it's possible that in the West, being able to look into oneself and make a decision to forgive someone like what you're discussing could be a virtue, but that isn't the case for Chinese. So it's very well possible that I'm just focusing on the nuance of a term from another culture's perspective, at least partially.

I do have a specific situation that I could (very pettily) discuss here...but again, I've understood that you see the definition as not being situational. You made it very clear by saying that directly, after all. xD The funny thing is, those two sayings were partially created from my perspective, so you can kinda see the conundrum there. I can't say either consistently, though, so that's why I separated the "me" from the hypothetical someones. Plus the first one is obviously closer to my usual ability to think about things. 

Time wrote:

I think these two statements are two sides of the same coin. One is largely internal, while the other is largely external. Or at least that one can be considered more realistic, while the latter can be more optimistic. The difference is more or less placing faith in the other person to change, maybe?  I'm also assuming your vision (the latter) includes relinquishment of "punishment"?

I find it super interesting how you phrased the beginning there in particular. I would say that it's a really good summarization, but since I tend to overcomplicate things, I can't be a judge of that. Personally speaking, it's the latter portion that makes me more confused. How would someone who's "optimistic-realistic" fall in terms of being able to say either statement, then? Where would that faith source from?
And to answer your question at the end, my vision does not include that, as I find that illogical. At least within the context of a hypothetical example I have framed to think about the question. xD Realistically speaking (imo), "punishment" results to a "just, fair action taken as a consequence of someone's actions." So I think that forgiveness, as a mental process, is separate from that. Though it does lead to the topic of forgiving oneself,,,

Time wrote:

I would say that no, forgiveness is not situationally defined, by my definition, since it's simply not holding ill will. The difference is varying levels of intensity and relationship.

Hmm...then how would ill will be defined? Do you think the wish for punishment/retribution would be considered ill will, for example? 

Time wrote:

So clearly, low level relationships, people like strangers, don't really command much presence in the average person. Not like high level relationships, like close friends and family. The same goes for intensity. Lower intensity things, like bumping into someone, or things that be considered to be minor accidents, result in things being easier to forgive. In opposition, higher intensity such as betrayal or stealing, things that directly harms trust in a relationship, are many times harder to forgive.

I think a part of why I think it's situational is because of what you're saying here, but I feel like I've said that so many times, so I apologize xD. I do agree with the factors you're giving examples of here, though in my view, I pretty much didn't apply forgiveness as a concept to the lower-intensity things that you mentioned. Guess I just wanna think all high-and-mighty, huh? 
It's hard to really make my definition of "situational" solid. In general, I view a lot of things as varying by situation, just because that's easier for my mind to process. But since we're talking about a universal definition here, well, I at least gotta try. So here goes some of the factors that go into weighing whether or not someone, say, "should" be forgiven:
-Intensity: What degree of hurt (physical/emotional) did they inflict on another?
-Are the people involved strangers? Acquaintances? Friends? Family?
-Motivations: What caused this person to act the way they did? Did they have control over themselves and their actions/decisions? 
-Background: Are there relevant events that happened before this incident that should be considered?
-Was what happened a crime, legally speaking?
-Sincerity: What is the "person to be forgiven" willing to do to make up for what they did? And what have they actually done/what will they actually do? 

As you can see, forgiving a friend for, uh, ghosting you is quite different from. Uhh. How do I give examples that aren't extreme. Help.

Time wrote:

I believe what I am trying to say is that by simply my definition, forgiveness is not situational, but by yours, it probably is, since it has you placing faith in the other person's growth.

That's very true, even if I have little/no confidence in my own definition. It's more so me trying to use the supposedly empathetic aspect of my personality, but really, it goes back to the pity thing you mentioned. I try to see myself as fortunate, in having a good education and upbringing because, believe me, I have ample reason to believe I would have been way worse. So when someone says or does something (especially does) to me that is genuinely hurtful, and they intended to hurt me (and also I didn't do anything to them to warrant retaliation or whatever, which would be more justified), I try to remember that maybe they just have not had the chance to be a better person thus far. And also that I myself need to be a better person as well. 
Maybe that's just putting myself on a moral pedestal, I dunno. 

Time wrote:

I also realize that this opinion of mine is likely one that isn't popular, and it's likely that I should usually rephrase my words when talking about such a topic to prevent miscommunication. Because saying "I forgive someone" nowadays can be a pretty bold statement.

I personally don't think you said or think anything that needs to be restructured, and I hope I didn't either (though you have a much better sense of judgment than me, so I probably did say something that needs to be edited, and you should feel at liberty to change whatever you want to change). Also, I guess it's true that "I forgive [someone]" sounds arrogant, but if someone's saying it sincerely, I really don't see a problem with it. Rather, I find the fact that society as a whole tries to hold us to say things that aren't true or completely true to be irksome. Sometimes we just gotta hear some things, you know? And say some things?

I dunno how long this conversation will remain interesting to you, so feel free to stop responding at any time. But I hope it's indulged you somewhat so far! Thanks again for talking about stuff like this. I've missed times where we could talk about random topics at length like this, more than I can express. So yeah, I appreciate it. 

-Galaxian-

I joke about Mozart murder a lot, but actually I am quite fond of Salieri. 
Dude is only hateful because of stupid gossipy rumors, how could I not be. Also he's ordinarily chill and a teacher/dad.

...what is that? You think I should stop liking scapegoats? What possibly could you mean? (:

-Galaxian-