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Okay. Cool!
Why not mention the weirdest things on my mind at random spontaneous moments xD
Sir Wiley though,,,
Lol he tells Dion to call him "Sir Wiley" and just lies/jokes about him actually having been a medieval knight or something and that his lab wear is just casual modern-time wear
I think I have some more specifics, but idk for now.
Your choice. We seem to be switching off the info-dumping job, so next up is a pair where I have the Master character. So--Sunny or "Akuma" (still have yet to rename them for the AU).
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Well, thank you xD I really needed a laugh there xD.
Sir Wiley xD. Lol I wonder if Dion would fall for that or not. Maybe he just doesn't care much o.o. Idk xD.
Alright, you can tell me whenever you're ready!
Lol ok, I had a random generator decide for me so. Marie-Corinne's stats! I don't have her NP yet lol, I'm sorry about that. And btw, like I mentioned earlier, her stats are kinda unusual for her class, so I hope it's not too weird lol.
Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Mana: D
Luck: D+
Noble Phantasm: undefined
Presence Concealment is ranked B.
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Idk for some reason I envision Dion with this dead-inside look on his face and being like "Whatever" and he actually just doesn't call Wiley anything lol. Tbh he could call Wiley Wiley and no one would know who the heck Wiley is
Okay so part of the idea is that Dion might've tried to summon someone Wiley knew in life and got Wiley instead. Lol for once someone else pushed work onto Wiley apparently. That's only one idea though and definitely not the primary one, just letting you know what I think. (For once. Lol.)
A...a random generator? O_O
Darn lol you picked the Master I'm least familiar with. (Somehow.) Here I go, ig.
"Akuma" doesn't have very known origins. No one knows their family for sure, but there's been a solid guess or two, the most solid one landing them at a very good starting point if that was indeed their family, even if the family was known by almost no one and even now there's not enough information to pinpoint if Akuma was indeed from it in the first place. In any case, they're not affiliated with the Mage's Association, but there was a time in the past where they were invited to it due to the familial speculations. And then stuff happened, where basically the Mage's Association went through a series of doubting whether or not they were actually the heir to that family (or a good heir in general) and tried calculating their volatility and ultimately couldn't come to a balanced conclusion. By that time, Akuma was more than able to prove that they were both volatile and uninterested in what other mages did, so they were left mostly alone, not to be prosecuted but also never to be asked to join the Association again. Essentially, Akuma's existence was kind of seen as a balance of volatility--perhaps enough to eliminate other volatile factors, and then to be too volatile for their own good. Currently it's unseen just which side fell into which side's assumptions.
In terms of magic, Akuma's a powerful mage. They could also have easily been called a prodigy. They're only a bit older than Helge (or that's how they look, anyways), but their abilities are far superior to his. Of course, there's the factor of how their origins are unknown, so it's not certain if they ever did receive tutelage. Regardless, they're powerful, and if not for the fact that humans can't harm Servants (well, not to the point of winning, I think), they probably would've gone in alone. That being said, they're not for support, though they have enough mana--they could be said to specialize in going onto the battlefield themselves. In terms of support, they're probably one of the weaker Masters, but for fighting on a scale similar to side-by-side, depending on circumstance, they might be the one closest to it for all of my Master characters. And of course, they don't care about morals in truth, so they could technically do anything helpful for themselves without much restriction if they put off the veneer, once they put off the veneer.
That being said, that's only what seems to be there. Perhaps they actually could be support but just don't want to be it? Even by how they are right now, they can't be called top-tier, though their potential might be. Not to mention them being a huge fake and restricting their true personality, whatever that is, means that certain parts of how they are are very vague and it seems like what I've said so far.
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That sounds like something Dion would do tbh lol.
Lol ok, I'll keep that idea in mind but I'll be ready to receive a more definite one when you decide.
I wonder what Wiley's fighting style is :3 I guess I'll see xD but idk I was mostly thinking of what addition to the "Archer Class is made of Archers" thing it would be lol.
Yep xD I was like, "Well I can't decide, so please flip a coin for me @internet." Wow I'm broke lol look I do not have a single coin XDDD. I didn't mean that the stats were generated randomly btw I did do them myself.
Lol I'm sorry.
Oh so Akuma was just kinda... left alone? Like to do whatever they want?
Hmm, okay. Looks like that might complement Assassin's lack of magic ability well. She's, well, I said she would like to act with her Class's preferred strategy (going for stealth and other Masters) but she's a bit better suited to direct combat if it comes to that. She could perform well in battle, though of course taking advantage of her Class Skill would make her chances of having success a lot better. Besides, even with her stats and ability for battle, the latter is just focused on making sure she stays alive. Definitely would like to stay away from direct confrontation with other Servants that have more expertise in that area.
Well, it looks like Assassin would work well with most any strategy Akuma gives her (if there's one). She will focus only on the target(s) she's given, though, and won't attack anyone else unless it's for self-defense. She might find the lack of support kind of strange but will put up with that anyways.
That's the base attitude for her, which might change a bit once some stuff happens lol. Do you think Akuma would let her go by herself at times? Like, she would probably like to check around the city. In any case, she wouldn't stand out much to other people thanks to her Presence Concealment.
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Lol yay
He's an Archer...but there might be GGaD spoilers lol which was why I wasn't too keen on describing his attacks. Lol I'm too secretive
Wait so what was generated randomly then,,,
Yeah, pretty much.
Lol so basically if Akuma were to go by normality, they could go out and kill a Master. But nope, no normality.
Assassin should probably want to stay away from Berserker lol, that's what I think anyways.
Akuma's fine with that lol, though they'd probably inform her of where the other participants of the Holy Grail might be to lessen the chances of her getting Archered or Sabered or whatever. Class-ed
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The randomly-generated thing was the choice lol, I mean when you asked me to pick who was the next to be discussed I had trouble choosing so I flipped a virtual coin or something like that.
Okay. I don't have much to reply to that xD sorry.
So, I guess it would be your turn to pick the next pair to discuss if there's nothing else to be added at the moment.
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Oh okay.
Bixbite and Rider?
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Sure! You post the stats first I guess?
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Stats for Yuezheng Xuqiao (Rider)-
Strength: B+
Agility: A
Luck: C
Endurance: A+
Mana: D++
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Ok lol, let's do this!
In this universe, Nyoko comes from a rather distinguished and officially recognized line of mages. She's the heir and possesses her family's Magic Crest. But here's the thing. Not only was she the youngest in her family, but she also was not a very viable option to be the heir due to the quality of her circuits (which is actually not that low, considering her family). She becomes the successor thanks to the death of her siblings, who would have definitely been better mages than her, and the assassination of their parents by some opposing family. With no relations left, Nyoko's family apparently disappeared from the magic world while she went into a rather low-profile as a way to stay alive. At least until now, because joining a Grail War alerts other mages of her existence. Anyways, she's rather wealthy in the sense that she has funds, but she can't generate much income so it will probably run out at some point. She's technically by herself too.
Nyoko is not one of the most powerful mages to exist. While her mana is limited, her possessing a Magic Crest allows her to have access to the spells of her family. She centers around a sort of jewel magecraft that's kind of different from what the Tohsakas used in canon, though it can be used for a similar purpose too. I'm excited for her magecraft tbh xD. Anyways, she uses properties of gems and certain minerals in order to achieve the effects she wants. She can cast a number of spells as long as she uses the correct gem, and she's able to manipulate them to her will for offense. While her spells are powerful, Nyoko herself isn't, and she's prone to running out of mana thanks to the quantity of it she must use for her magecraft. A lot of her magic ability, in fact, is limited by her own notion of her "not being worthy of her skills".
As a Master, she can probably provide enough magical energy to sustain Xuqiao, but she may rank down one of his stats a bit. A problem that might pop up is that if she uses too much of her energy in spells, she'll leave Rider with his own supplies of magical energy. On the bright side, she can use the properties of her jewels to give temporary boosts or healing, though she won't do this except for special situations. She can heal him at a distance too if she's somewhere around while he's in battle. So, what she thinks is the best strategy for them is to accompany Rider to battles even if she doesn't get directly involved. She can handle another Master and maybe overwhelm them with her own magecraft as long as the encounter doesn't last for a long time.
I'm sure she's satisfied with the class she chose. She doesn't consider herself worthy of having a Servant from the Knight Classes, but she's confident enough in her skill to work with a Rider Servant. Someone who can more or less compensate her lack of ability in physical fighting. In general, I think she'll want to be near her Servant most of the time because she fears she may be attacked if he's not nearby.
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Interesting.
There's actually an advantage to her summoning Rider that I think most of the other Servants don't have, specifically targeted to how she might run out of mana. Perhaps she thought about that facet beforehand.
I'm actually not too sure what healing Servants means other than providing them mana and letting them naturally replenish. Apparently even Command Spells can only do a bit of temporary healing.
Funnily enough, I think Xuqiao is actually pretty close to a Knight lol, at least more so than some of my other characters.
He's fine with protecting her. Even without a mount, he's a pretty formidable opponent.
Which stat would you think would be ranked down? I'm fine with balancing out the characters' power levels a bit more.
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Yes I think she's interesting too xD.
It's possible that she considered that aspect, as she's aware of her limitations.
She can perform healing magic. For Servants, well, I'm pretty sure Irisviel healed Saber in her fight against Lancer. Nyoko could do something similar for anything that isn't too large.
For Nyoko, it's the class that mattered in summoning lol. That's a good thing though I think.
:D
I'm not completely sure about the stat. Unfortunately, it might be Endurance. I'd say Luck but I don't know how it would be to have several servants with low Luck stats lol.
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I guess Diarmuid is slightly different than other Servants from the left-hand injury thing, though. I don't recall the fight well.
I'ma go check what Endurance entails. That and Strength may work.
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There was a part in which his red spear sliced through Saber's armor and cut her side, so Iri healed up that injury. But the other spear's wound was unhealable.
Ok!
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I cannot remember which spear was Gae Buidhe and Gae Dearg for the life of me, lol.
Idk, both would work. Which one do you want to be leveled down? Both could also be leveled down, lol, if you wanted that.
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Lol I don't remember the names I just remember them by their colors xD. The red one cut through mana, and the yellow one gave unhealable wounds. I just remember the fight because my brother made me watch it several times on repeat lol.
Uh, I actually feel bad leveling them down :'). Maybe take off the '+' from Strength and rank Endurance at B+?
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Oh lmiao I just remember how Diarmuid's luck is a R.I.P.
Nahhhh they need to be leveled down lol
Strength for Xuqiao is from the fact that he's kinda a kid, so he's less strong than adults, I think.
I'll go note that.
Lol should we name the AU btw? Fate AU sounds kinda boring. Maybe Fate/(something)? Idk.
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Poor guy. F in the chat for him.
Lol you sure xD
Alrighty.
I guess it needs a name xD thought atm I still haven't had ideas for it. Uh, is there a theme or something on which we could base the name?
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Well yeah lol comparing your Servants' stats with mine it's obvious I'm making them OP though I knew that already,,, lol
For now we should just keep the naming thing in mind lol. Idk why F/SN is called "stay night" tbh, like I can see why in Heaven's Feel but not for the other routes lol
Also yes I am superior to the word "Galatian"
I guess next up is Sunny? Your stats for Youri, please.
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Lol rip
Yeah dw I don't think I'll forget that xD. I hope I won't forget it or else I'm going to be very disappointed with my brain.
You are so superior that you have replaced the spelling of the word "Galatian" in my mind xD.
Yep. Here are Youri-Naiim's stats.
Strength: D
Endurance: B
Agility: B
Mana: EX
Luck: C
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Oooh EX Rank Mana
Okay so for Sunny's backstory, this is more dependent on you than those for Helge and "Akuma," obviously. From what's been said so far, Sunny and Sollux are orphans. However, if we base their backstory off of how theirs in GGaD went (minus the emotions thing), it's very likely that they have a family background dealing with magic, the extent TBD, I guess. We need to work out Sunny's and Sollux's magic, probably, too. Now, if Sunny's and Sollux's parents are like they are in GGaD (which ofc, ik, we've planned a bunch for :DDDD), then presumably their family, or at least the close one, was a bit different from other mages. That would go into abilities' calculations and stuff like that.
Atm, I'm kinda headcanoning that their parents might've been killed for violating some sort of mages' rule. For instance, leaking a study to the general public or something like that. Idk, your thoughts? :D
Back to the topic (somewhat, lol), Sunny probably has good roots. Not to mention, in canon his abilities are very related to life, so I don't think it's a stretch to say that his mana generation is probably very high. I don't think he and Sollux are doing what Kayneth and Sola-Ui did, though, because Sunny doesn't want his sister to get involved in the War. (Again, lol, all this needs a lot of dev.) But he does lack in offensive ability. He prioritizes the defensive, especially relating to actual physical defense and healing. Overall, I think the Stats probably won't be impacted, but that also depends on what his magical expertise actually is. He should be a good enough Master to provide a bunch of mana, though, and hopefully he can also plan well. From what I'm seeing, the Caster class kinda is at a disadvantage in most Grail Wars.
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Sorry for not replying promptly lol I had to finish a test.
EX rank mana, yeah! He has the only stat with EX rank from my Servants , as you can see xD.
Ah okay so xD so we've gotta work together for this backstory then! Uhhhhhhh okay. Sunny might be the one with more experience and knowledge in magic, if the parents followed the rule of teaching magic mainly to the eldest child. But also, based off what you proposed about breaking a rule, it's possible that their parents might not have have followed the regular traditions in magic practice. I think that would be very interesting! Idk, what do you think? If so, then there's a chance that Sollux might have a decently good use of magic. Maybe she focused her abilities on offense to complement her brother's magic, idk. Also, if their parents were killed because of the reason you said, then what about Sunny and Lux? Were they left alive out of pity or are they, idk, wanted or something?
Even if she can't directly participate in the War, I'm sure Lux would love to support Sunny in any way she can. Like tbh it wouldn't be an stretch to say that she'd pressure him to let her help. Big bruh here that my mind is imagining a worst-case scenario in which she gets killed.
Ok, so stats will probably stay the same then! One of Youri's personal skills is also ranked EX and it would let him draw mana from his surroundings if Sunny is ever unable to give enough mana (which I don't think will happen). Youri's strength is oof if he ever engaged in close-ranged combat lol, but that same skill might let him survive damage as long as it's not too major. In kinda F/GO terms, he's kind of tanky. Lots of HP lol, figuratively. I still have to define his fighting style lol, but it definitely has a strong aspect of flora manipulation. He can do pretty much anything with that (like he's more powerful than his GGaD version) and he can use a few other kinds of magic too. If caught in a situation where he can't draw support from his main personal skill, though, it would be a very bad thing. This might be a bit hard though because he has B-rank Instinct as a skill too?
Idk. Youri can be either powerful or weak, depending on the situation.
I forgot to mention his Class Skills btw.
Territory Creation: A
Item Construction: B
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It's fine, that happens to me too lol
Sunny and Sollux might've been raised (in terms of magic) to complement each other. I guess this would probably need more GGaD connection. I haven't seen Sollux using her abilities on a major scale in GGaD, but in GGaD, Sunny also specializes more in defense than offense. He does have more OP abilities, though, like he could technically strike someone with lightning. He's not completely defense-based, just more so than offense.
If that's actually their backstory, I think there was little reason to kill them. It's not like Sunny and Sollux violated the rules. They probably ran, too. Anyways, the people who killed the two's parents seem like scumbags, but they're not as scumbaggy as whoever killed Sunny's and Lux's parents in GGaD canon. They were possibly magic-using mercenaries of some sort who were just ordered to kill the parents, not the children, depending on planning.
There might also be advantages to leaving Sunny and Lux alive. Not even complicated reasons, just that perhaps their family as a whole specializes in magic that the rest of the magic world needs. Who knows.
Sunny is not letting her help lol. Oh no lol I can see why they'd argue smh xD they really can't get past disagreeing on some part in any world huh. The most she can probably help is he lets her interact with Caster. He knows he's pretty bad at interacting and communicating and stuff lol so she can take up the slack there.
I guess we need to work more on Sunny and Sollux, so let's hold off on discussing Berserker's and Saber's Masters for a bit. Focusing on too much tends to be my detriment.
I realized I didn't give you Class Skills for most of the Servants. Did you need them?
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Oooh that's an interesting idea.
Well in GGaD her abilities are not that great because she doesn't use them a whole lot. Most of the time she's in the Modern Sect and it's the main reason for that. She's able to do several things (though not as many as she should) but most of what she does is connected to the heat/sun aspect of summer, which happens to be the main thing people think of when thinking about the season. So, insta-frying eggs burning stuff and bending/refracting light is mostly what she does. Just imagine all the possibilities that gives :D. She's not very defenseless though so when someone tries to bother her (very negatively), she's like, "Oh you're harassing me? Ok, you get heatstroke and go to the hospital lol bye." But that's with regular people, so don't think this would work very well against a 'playable character' lol. The thing is that since she can't do a lot of stuff, she does what she knows how to do very well and easily.
Ok, yes, I kinda thought of that but I also wanted to see what you thought. Family and stuff is important in this universe too. Do you think they inherited whatever their parents had? Still thinking about that backstory, I think it might be more likely that their parents' belongings were taken away. I mean, if it was an "official" sort of assassination.
I think that the fact that they're not the ones who broke the rule(s) would be enough reason for them to be left alive tbh.
They're fated to disagree in all universes xD. But tbh so far their relationship here looks better than in GGaD and HPA lol. Darn, lol, she's definitely going to annoy him with wanting to help. Maybe the best way she can help is by staying out of the conflict though but she wouldn't like that.
Lol I guess the way she interacts with Caster is up to me xD but I wonder what it'll be like. Well, food for thought! She might be kinda surprised at first that Sunny summoned a "child" hehe.
Alright! Let's see how far we can get with headcanoning for the siblings. Is their last name in this AU "Meep" too? xD
I guess it would be helpful to "complete" the stats? Idk lol I mean I shared mine so
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Imo if there's reason for them to left alive, then they probably did get what their parents had. Just in a way they're now more of a pawn even if they're a family--due to not having adults or particularly experienced mages who could defend the family, technically they would rely on the Mage's Association, even if it doesn't appear to be so on the surface. They're no longer strong, that is, even with their resources, because technically their family (or at least the part closer to Sollux/Sunny, if there are more people than just the two of them) are being supervised and are prone to being eliminated if some other magic family were to intend to do so and if the Mage Association were to wish to do so. It's kinda like politics, ig, but anyways, the two siblings aren't in an optimal situation. Sunny's most likely aware of this, and because they need to seem more normal (to not make the Mage's Association think that he and she are anomalies like their parents who perhaps one day will also need to be killed), he probably is the face of the family and seems to be the only heir to their family's magic, as other families do. But in truth, Sollux also still practices magic, just in secret and unbeknownst to others. If the above is true, it's not just him trying to keep her safe in the Grail War but in general.
That's about the most solid headcanoning I have for them. I guess I'm pretty satisfied with it, but there are probably holes in it. I'm not sure if their last name is Meep...but why not, I mean, it's a fun name (it's like...marshmallow vibes. Tbh who came up with the last name xD for some reason I felt like it was me but idk, for some reason I feel like only I could come up with a name like that xDDD)
In any case, I think it's important the Masters have different backstories. Bixbite already has a somewhat similar one, and Helge also shares the part about not having family (as does "Akuma" but they do not deserve sympathy).
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Lol, politics, yay.
The ideas look good to me, so, if you're completely satisfied with what we've got for now, we can treat it as canon. Other details can be ironed out as problems pop up, I guess xD. I'll do my best anyways!
Something I wanted to ask, around how long ago do you think their parents died? I'm having Sollux be 15 in this AU, so just calculate with Sunny's age too and try to give a guess? Depending on that, I think Lux may have more (or less) understanding of how serious the situation is.
I think Rune capitalized "Meep" on chat and you were like "Hey that could be their last name" and yeah it happened xD.
Lol though in this universe xD a mage family with the last name Meep... xD.
xD we're really invested in this AU, aren't we? Look, like five pages full of headcanoning lol.
It's fun though, don'tcha think? :D
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Oh I still don't know what kind of magic you/we want them to have. Is it like season magic or something related to that? Or maybe you have another idea. Or maybe we still have to come up with something xD.
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Politics! Your favorite subject!
I think we agreed the age gap is wider than it is in GGaD. I said Sunny's around 20. Mages are still pretty young around that age due to inexperience, so yeah.
I'm not sure when the deaths happened. In GGaD we didn't go with a solid age, so...I don't have a reference for the AU, either. (Or in HPA.)
Hey, who knows, maybe Meep actually means "Ultra Ultimate Universe Destroying Powerful Family Last Name" in Latin. Or whatever. Don't judge a book by its cover.
Honestly I'm trying to wrap my mind around Fate's concept of magic lol, so I'm not sure. Sunny and Sollux might even practice different magic for all I know, or variations of a 'genre.' I dunno.
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Undefined time for the deaths, then? We'll leave it at "they were young"?
xD It's not a bad name. Lux thinks it's kinda silly tho.
I don't know if it's possible for them to practice completely different magic, but it's likely that they use variations, like you said. Maybe we can break the rules a little for what's defined for magic in the original universe?
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I'm looking at the wiki to see what it says about magic and I'm reading about "elements". Apparently mages normally have mastery of only one and those who have affinity to all of them are very valued by the Mage's Association.
Maybe the Meeps have that special kind of affinity? It would work pretty well for them to use magic variations, and it would kinda explain why they're thought to be useful. And it doesn't need to be their main kind of magecraft, since you've seen that there are many ways to use mana (like Rin has affinity to all elements but she uses jewel magecraft).
Idk I'm just throwing out an idea.