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SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 15:25:04

Ok from what I'm reading here it seems that EX-rank mostly affects the Servant's attitude while keeping high stats.
I guess we should probably go with the +1 rank up for all stats.
Lol fear.

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 15:26:05

I can go compare Servants who have both Berserker EX-rank ME and other class existences and see if that's true,,, lol
Rn I'm taking a test so yee it'll have to wait

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 15:28:02

I tried checking the F/GO wiki and it does not display ME rank up stats :')
I'mma go look for more info lol

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 15:34:44

I'm not sure if Gilles can be an example but his popped-out eyes scare me so rn I'm just looking at Vlad,,, it looks like Strength and Endurance got boosts for him (compared to Lancer Class) but everything else actually fell/stayed consistent (for his NP it stayed consistent)

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 15:40:46

Ok so from what you say maybe EX-rank is different and not necessarily better than A-rank.
The Typemoon wiki is telling me that certain parameters are ranked up (and sanity taken away accordingly) depending on the level, but it only goes up to A-rank. All it says for EX-rank is examples from F/GO which are mostly about personality/attitude

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 15:44:07

I'm looking at Hercules now. He's a bit different since his classes I'm looking at are Avenger and Berserker, but as a Berserker his Strength and Endurance are also the only stats that are better than Avenger him; his NP as an Avenger is stronger and agility, mana, and luck remain consistent, somewhat similarly to Vlad.
I'ma go look at Gilles to check too

-Galaxian-

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 15:47:18

Okay, so Gilles is kinda weird since it seems kinda like Caster him would be the one with Mad Enhancement, but he's actually just with terrible morals, so...Ig the comparison is okay to make. And he's not a Berserker with Mad Enhancement,,, lol. Anyways this comparison should be taken a bit more lightly than even the comparison for Hercules imo
Here're the differences:
-Strength, endurance, agility, mana, and luck ranked up for Saber him
-NP lower than his Caster form

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 15:52:25

Ok
What's your decision then xD
I'm not sure about NP rank but I guess that the other stats would be ranked up?
The thing about Berserkers too is that their class locks away certain skills that they'd normally have.

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 15:53:37

I think NP rank just depends on what the NP is. I'm not too worried about that.
I think overall I'ma just go with what my guts tell me lol. I don't particularly like being constrained by rules
I wasn't planning on boosting luck/agility with ME anyways. It's just strength I'm not sure on.

-Galaxian-

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 15:54:27

So basically I agree with Vlad's changes for the most part. Still gotta logic some things but yeah

-Galaxian-

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 15:54:37

Does Aereon have input?

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 15:57:51

So you're boosting Strength and Endurance then?
Uhhh lol idk what can I ask her xD.

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 15:59:22

You'll see. ;) Unless you want to see them now lol though I'm not sure if the stats would scare you
Idk, what can you ask her? ;3

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 16:01:04

Okay I'll see eventually xD. Maybe you can share those stats once you're done with the others too? Idk xD.
Idk what I can ask her she's being kinda secretive so

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 16:03:19

Tell her if she doesn't give input and somehow I screw up with the stats I'll shave her head and make her bald Aereon in the future

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 16:09:40

PFFT--- I shouldn't have laughed at that XD
Ok I'll see lol.

Oh something else I wanted to mention is that Servant stats are kinda influenced by their Masters. Mostly it's like being ranked down a bit if they don't have a Master with enough mana to provide from what I can see.
So I wanted to kinda know in general what the case is for your Masters?
For mine, all of them can provide enough energy (which means normal Servant stats) but Nyoko doesn't really have an amazing output/capacity for her mana so Idk how that would influence Xuqiao's stats.

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 16:27:23

Yeah, I was aware of that. I think from what I have rn that all of my Masters can provide enough mana. I'm not 100% sure on Sunny but I was thinking he might have a bit of advantage from whatever his magic type is. We might have to work it out on a case-to-case basis tbh (totally not because I think working it out is fun,,, lol)

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 16:30:34

Dw I also think that it's more fun to discuss it that way xD. I just wanted to know in general so I could have an idea.

Btw Aereon asks why the Luck stat isn't ranked up. ~~Cheater smh.~~

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 18:26:33

Well then, shall we start on case-by-case basis? Depends on how far you've gotten for stats ig. I don't think NPs are all that impacted and we can get back to it too later. I personally put down base stats for the Servant characters on my end lol instead of thinking about Masters and such.

LMIAO
Aereon should be more worried about the Mana stat lol, right now Rensa has the best luck out of all 4 Servant characters of mine

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 18:31:27

Oh I got Germaine's stats done! I have the base stats for the other two, but I'm still missing NPs xD. I was planning to adjust the stats if it's needed. And yeah I think NP rank won't change much if at all lol.
Ok lol so by whom do we begin?

:0

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 19:02:50

OwO
Lol the only NP I have down somewhat-solid is Wiley's.
You can start with Germaine!

Is that a good :0 or a bad :0

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 19:07:45

Good luck with NPs uwu.

Okay! Here are Germaine's base stats ~~and the reason I fear for her welfare~~

Strength: C+
Endurance: C
Agility: A
Mana: B+
Luck: E
Noble Phantasm: B

It is a :0 of awe.

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 19:24:26

Okay, so the Master here is Helge.
R.I.P. most of the Servants' luck lmiao
I'm gonna ignore the NP for a bit, a'right?
I'm not really sure where to start, tbh. I guess I should talk Helge. (That sounds weird, lol.)

Helge is, like his GGaD counterpart, without biological family. In this universe, he doesn't know them, but he does have a great deal of natural born talent from whatever his heritage was. I'm not quite sure what magic type he does yet, since I haven't had any amazing ideas (lol) for that, but in terms of canon comparisons he's definitely on a better starting point compared to people like, say, Waver. Or Ryuunosuke, idk, I don't think his heritage was given but his parents did have a spell book, soooo.
Anyways, going off of GGaD!Hitan, his fighting style is arguably a mess, and his magic is also...well, it's independent and he's never really had guidance, so it's like, it works. But he can't be said to be, like, a super Good Master. He's never been formally trained; he can't really afford an education at the Clocktower, and unless he's recognized as a genius of some sort (hence why backstory is important...lol), that's probably the way it is. His involvement in the Grail War might either be due to his own volition or him doing it for someone else--a kind of reference to how he was originally somewhat of a mercenary/self-acting character. But in any case, he's no noob. He's much smarter than I'll ever be, so basically he needs time to sort stuff out. Most of all, he needs to get stuff done fast, and he needs someone reliable. Someone reliable would be someone of the Lancer class (they tend to be reliable), and fast...well, that's the Lancer class too. Essentially, if I do POV him correctly, he's a great strategist and good situational Support. It's unlikely he could stand up for long against Masters who've been trained unless he's planned the fight/circumstances out, so his plan will likely mostly involve being support for Germaine.
Speaking of support for her, she should be good for that. I see he can't drag her luck down any more than it already is anyways, lol. The thing about Helge is that he's really good at endurance no matter in what world--he can pull through a bunch of pain and put his needs below others' almost all of the time. With good magic roots to add to that, he's just good support, I think? I don't think her stats will be dragged down by him, but unfortunately he's also not a great Master at the moment. Maybe she can teach him more about magic to get him in a more stable direction, lol.
That's all I can say at the moment I think. More planning for Helge is needed for me.

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 20:24:15

Okay, let's see what I can reply to that xD I hope it's not a disappointing reply.

Cool, :0 he chose a good class then.
Nice! I'm sure Germaine will probably benefit from strategy. She works better that way. I wonder if she can help him with that but I don't really know (especially since I'm not very good with that lol) and, while she'd be willing to do that, she also wouldn't give much input unless she's given permission.
I think they might get along pretty well, especially once Germaine finds out that Helge doesn't have an "evil wish" or bad intention for the Grail. She's probably going to stay near him most of the time too. I don't know how much she could teach him about magic tbh xD but she does have experience with it and uses some (despite being a Lancer lol but dw it's not really much) so, yes, like you said, it will probably be more like directing his magic practice to a better course. Like, making it more efficient to use and that kinda stuff.
Looks like her skills are probably going unhampered then. Good :D.
She won't be bothered at all by the fact that he's not the best Master in the world! To be honest, she'll probably be happy that he's a good person and she'll be very loyal to him anyways. No need for him to apologize there. :D.

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 20:36:05

Yeah, sorry about the lack of quality to my response. I've yet to get much backstory inspiration for the Masters, mostly due to lack of lore atm. It should fire off when there's more lore involved. For instance, for how I mentioned for him possibly fighting for someone else, pretty sure that's against the rules of the Fate/SN's canon Grail War. There's probably stuff related to that in the AU.

Yes, he chose a good Class! That's the least of what he could do, I think. Which kinda makes me wonder if Sunny having a Caster is a good decision, but yee. How high is Germaine's Magical Resistance btw? I think that's her class skill but I'm not sure.
She has permission to speak lol. Helge doesn't like asking questions that much.
Her skills are going unhampered but unenhanced, at least for the time being. More backstory for Helge needed is the summary. And tbh I'm not too sure how Masters influence their Servants' stats in the first place,,, it's kinda all over the place for the Fate verse, huh.

Is there a Church here? Some faction to ~~construct roads after they get obliterated by our Servant characters~~ hide the existence of the Holy Grail War?

I'm not sure he's the best person, like I'm not sure GGaD!Hitan is the best person...he's not sure he is either in both worlds, lol. But I guess he's not someone who'd trample on the rights of others, at least if he can help it. Helge is a tad bit more...ruthless?...than some other personas of his, though. Again, depends on whatever he went through. Anyways, he doesn't treat those who treat him well badly.

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 20:43:25

That's fine xD. I've been keeping mine kinda general, and idk it seems to be working out well. I think.

Germaine has C-rank Magical Resistance.
Coolio. She'll speak, then.
Lol to be honest I'm not exactly sure of how that happens either, but it does happen from what I can see (like Artoria's stats change with each of her Masters, being the highest with Rin).

Good question. I don't know, but there definitely has to be a faction to act as mediators and do what you said lol. If there were, do you think we'd need playable characters for it? I think yeah xD but idk for sure.

Well, he isn't an evil person, and at this point that's enough for Germaine.

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 20:50:55

Lol, we work a bit differently though. Ah well.

Okay.
Yeah, I know it changes,,, just not really when exactly a parameter change occurs. Like, there's not really a way to measure how much better a Master is than another Master,,, ehhhhh.

I dunno. I think Kirei as the mediator was only important because he sure was a mediator with questionable morals. And also he violated rules by having Servant(s). Ordinarily I think the Church wouldn't have such a big role, so...I don't think there will be need for characters unless whatever the Church faction is has a role in lore somehow.

Lol, that sounds like she had horrible Masters before. Speaking of having past horrible masters, should we move on to Dion and Archer? Feel free to respond to the above btw.

As a reminder, Archer's stats (A.K.A. the lowest of the 4 Servant characters of mine):
Strength: C
Agility: A
Luck: E
Endurance: EX
Mana: E
NP: EX

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 21:14:35

Ok, so I guess maybe it can exist but our characters won't really interact with people from the Church then unless we come up with a lore reason.

Alright, let's continue on to them! If you don't mind, I'll use the same format you used to describe Helge.

Dion's background is similar to his GGaD one in some ways, though of course here the purpose is different and stuff. He doesn't have much magic ability at all because his family is rather new to the world of magic (and also they're not officially recognized by any magic association, at least not yet). However, he has enhancements that let him generate an exceptional amount of magical energy. The thing here is that he can barely use it for anything other than small things because he's not very trained in magic, and even if he were, the quality of his circuits is quite low. Something like that wouldn't happen naturally so he's really an exception ~~and I hope I'm not breaking some kind of rules lol~~. Although he normally wouldn't have any way to keep his energy or a use for it, his Mystic Code allows him to store it up in large quantities. He's like a mana battery lol.
Like I mentioned in that paragraph, he doesn't know many spells. I haven't decided yet what he specializes in but he probably uses things created by himself. Rn the most similar thing to something offensive he can cast is a spell kind of, uh, like a Gandr shot thing? But it's not Gandr because he doesn't know how to cast that specific spell (which would be helpful Ig). It's more like, well, the most it can do when charged up would be temporarily paralyze a magic user and maybe knock out a normal person. That's the most his magic allows him to do. It's not much.
The bright side to this is that Dion has probably read up on a lot of information about how magic works and how the Grail War works too. So at least he has knowledge in theory.
I can't say for sure why he'd pick the Archer class xD What I'm thinking is that he somehow got information about Wiley and decided that he would be a good Servant to summon. Besides, Archers are said to be one of the best classes (it's one of the three Knight Classes after all) and I'm sure he was confident enough about having a Servant too. Dion's specific motive for participating in the War is going to depend on lore more or less, but he's the only one from his family line that has the capability of becoming a Master.
He'll probably rely on Wiley a lot, since he himself can't do much and he definitely wouldn't stand a chance against other mages. Dion can strengthen his Servant if that's needed, actually! He's also the kind of person who would make a more or less detailed plan for the War (to maximize chances of success) by gathering information.
So, like, he's a pretty mediocre Master in terms of skills, but his Servant will probably be able to shine pretty well.
I hope that's enough info lol.

GalaxianExplosion · April 5, 2021 21:24:53

Is his family Crest/magic style centered around enhancing?
I'm guessing he's been storing mana for a bit of time before the AU starts lol?
Lol every time I see how Archer as a class is supposed to be a Knight Class I just think of the title "Sir Wiley" and laugh
Also for some reason for Dion's technique you mentioned I just envisioned some random mage just going "Bleh" and falling over all stiff-like, kinda like in a cartoon xDD
Unfortunately I do have some things to say. One, I don't think Wiley was an intended Summon. It's likely Dion tried to summon someone, but Wiley's fame is so low that he might as well have been a commoner who...got on TV once. Or something like that, idk. I think Wiley's better at close-distance combat than most other Archers, though, which is a good thing. Fortunately, that's the second thing! For now! Yay!

-Galaxian-

SpecterTheGreat · April 5, 2021 22:08:56

Yes, since that's what they focus on. For their limited history, at least lol.
Ah definitely xD I don't think he'd go that unprepared.
Why did you mention those two things xDDD making me laugh, how dare xDDDDDD. XD.
Okay then, maybe trying to summon an Archer-class Servant would be enough? I haven't thought of specifics for the summon so it's okay xD. Your guidance here, please, Almighty Apple God.
I'm glad to know Dion won't be unprotected :D.

If you don't have much to reply to this, what's the next pair you want to focus on?