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May 26, 2023 00:34:39  #7111


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Also idk if it's OOC but I just remembered a Reddit post and thought it'd be funny if I could somehow fit Paymon in for it (like as a meme format)
The post name was "Who is the best girl in [work title] and why is it [insert name here]", adjusted it could be something like "Who is the best wife in GGaD and why is it Xenia" just to add that Fourth Wall Break cliche in. Paymon is standing matter-of-factly next to that text in front of an otherwise white background
(Also I do apologize if it's super OOC but I thought it'd be funny if Xia isn't the only one who does the simping xD)

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May 26, 2023 13:22:15  #7112


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[Heights/Updates]
It's not that I don't wanna, I'm just not too confident in if I'm doing things right or not xD but being able to? I sure can share what I currently have. Let me know what you want me to put here exactly and I'll do it.
Speaking of updates I forgot to tell you I sort of changed F/DA Aereon's name? Since she's a different version, I thought she also needed another name. I'm still not sure if I'll change her name yet again (I did make up my mind to not keep the name "Aereon") but I think it'd be good if I share the current one in case we mention her in conversation. She's still the least developed of my Masters, but I think I have a better grasp on her than when I was first headcanoning for the AU.
Yeah see we're different I wish I were more proactive in writing stuff down and even keeping records of my thoughts, but tough luck I always forget to do it even when I say I'll do it later. Maybe it'll be a good idea to start on that today *says this while having put off the same thing in the morning*
Idk. I'm just going literal names and uh, hoping they work lol. Future me might cringe, but hey xD. 
*zzz*

[Rai]
Sure. Rai with Seiya's face.

[Wiley]
Does he do the math consciously or just by instinct?
You can't just discuss them to yourself and not say a thing about it xD well I mean you can, but I'd love to read at least a couple thoughts lol. Also I'm up to analyze stuff whenever, be it in theory or based on actual stuff. Again, let me know. I hope you're aware all it takes to get me started on a topic is a little prompt and sometimes even less than that xD.

[F/DA IQs]
Assassin doing starry eyes at those knives xD I think she'd be very interested in Ambryll's ability to fight.
Yes Archer stop please 😭 don't even get started on the "that that" thing
Uh-oh Lux better run, what'd she do tho

[Paymon]
Will definitely draw that at some point. And I think Paymon is also a simp. He just shows it in different ways (I think).
I think he'd read love poems or maybe try his hand at writing love poems even though he isn't the best with poetry xD also you can totally count on him being like "Xenia is my wonderful wife" to anyone who asked about or even mentioned Xenia in conversation


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May 26, 2023 17:23:03  #7113


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[Heights/Updates]
Two lists, one of current F/DA character heights (approximations would be fine too, like a range of heights for a character) and one of current Servant parameters would be great. I can give you these as well, but heights are kinda ehhhh on my end. also haven't completely finished pwning all Rider's stats to D yet, gimme a few on that front.
I sure hope you changed it to Airhead, as you should have.

[Rai]
To Seiya's credit, he actually doesn't have a standard shounen protagonist trope. Punchable tho for sure. what is up with his eyebrows

[Wiley]
By instinct, he's good at math and calculations and stuff.
Ehh, but I shut down my RPing thread precisely 'cause it feels better to mostly talk to myself than spam on these topics lol.

[F/DA]
I can see the two of them doing like knife-throwing competitions or something. Fear (for the other Masters).
I think that that sentiment merits tough thorough thought, though.
Please don't run, their younger GGaD selves did enough of that lol

[Paymon]
Noted.
I think it might've been because of Hitan and Helen but I do love the dynamic between a sophisticated someone and someone who just does not know how to read (though in Hitan's case it was more just "bookworm" since he wanted to share what he read)
Paymon while talking to someone: Xenia is my wonderful wife (:
That someone (who happens to be extremely rude): I didn't ask??
Paymon: That tone of voice is very similar to hers. She loves asking questions :D

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May 26, 2023 17:25:51  #7114


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

I have an image of height comparisons for my F/DA characters let me get it
For some of them it's not exactly defined down to the centimeter so it's prone to little changes, but the general idea is there.


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May 26, 2023 17:41:07  #7115


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[Heights/Updates]
Here's the image. The silhouettes are kind of weird so don't mind them much, they're automatically generated.

The heights are accurate for Caster and Lancer. The rest are approximations, with a range of like one or two centimeters give or take.

Servant parameters go as follows:

Caster
Strength: E
Endurance: C
Agility: C
Mana: EX
Luck: C

Territory Creation: B~A
Item Construction: C

Assassin
Strength:
B
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Mana: D-
Luck: D+

Presence Concealment: B

Lancer
Strength:
B
Endurance: C
Agility: B+
Mana: A
Luck: E

Magic Resistance: C (might be ranked down to D idk yet)
 


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May 26, 2023 17:50:49  #7116


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[Wiley]
Would he care to do tutoring :D 
I love reading tho

[F/DA]
Oh Assassin would love that lol. As soon as she's sure her Master won't get hurt or anything of course. 
*cries in flashbacks to grammar classes*
That reminded me of the "WHY ARE YOU RUNNING" meme lol

[Paymon]
That do be nice tho :0 but I think Paymon isn't as sophisticated as other characters of mine xD I mean he could be, he just doesn't act that way too much. 
Yes. This is exaggerating it a bit for the sake of silliness but I imagined him going on a monologue about Xenia lol


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May 26, 2023 21:13:46  #7117


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Are you available for a chat in a bit?


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May 26, 2023 21:14:57  #7118


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Maybe, lemme eat dinner and give me an availability range (or let me know when you're on and off) please.

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May 26, 2023 21:15:55  #7119


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Sure, I'm finishing up something so I'm thinking 10 PM to midnight my time. 45 minutes from now. Bon apetit! 


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May 27, 2023 02:57:14  #7120


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[F/DA Height/Parameter Updates]
Heights: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JBGA0ATo4-HmK6rMc_4XH-siwUo_88TL?usp=sharing
(Let me know if you can't click on the link or see it, but it should be open to public view.)
The website you're using really did try to make the silhouettes interesting but make basically all the women lean one way and slightly skew the results. xD
I hope I didn't mess up with any of your characters' heights.

Servant parameter updates (I believe those for Archer and Saber are more accurate while Rider and Berserker are more WIP; I also think all stats other than Berserker's are unmodified but we might need to go over that for all Servants):
Saber
Strength: B-
Agility: B+
Endurance: B
Mana: B-
Luck: B

Archer
Strength: C+
Agility: A+
Endurance: EX
Mana: E
Luck: E

Rider
Strength: C++
Agility: A
Endurance: B+
Mana: D+
Luck: C

Berserker (Mad Enhancement Modified, Possible WIP)
Strength: A
Agility: B+
Endurance: EX
Mana: B++
Luck: C--

Class skills not included, though I don't think they changed much since the last time. Let me know if you really need them, and I'll try to load the document that I had some of them on lol.

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May 27, 2023 03:07:18  #7121


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[Wiley]
Wiley? Teaching?? Haha. Funny joke. 
(He's the type of person who'd put a worksheet in front of you and then leave.)

[F/DA]
The Very Knife (Nice) Pair.
I love the Why Are You Running meme. Though it's slightly bested by the "What do you have? / A knife! :D / NOOO!" one.

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May 27, 2023 22:41:20  #7122


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[F/DA Height/Parameter Updates]
After looking at the heights for a good while can I point out how funny it is to me that Sunny and Caster just happen to be the tallest/shortest characters in the AU and they're paired together (yes I know Caster is a child, he is still the tiniest one. Why is Sunny so tall. I'm scared.) with a solid difference of half a meter.
Overall though? I think they all have decent height differences. They looks reasonable enough to me at least lol. 
I had thought of more things to comment but they've left my mind as the day went by. So for now I'll just also say that in the first pic I didn't notice the "absence" of Saber until I went to the second image and I was sitting there puzzled for a good while until I saw their (actual) tiny height xD taking chibi to a whole new level haha
Also the second largest height difference is between Dion and Archer lol get pwned Dion tiny boi as much as he may protest
iThink it's cute to see that exact 10 cm difference between Aisline and Saber haha

Saber is baby (I say this because I read all the Bs together as bebé, so, baby) lol I'm happy to see the rank up in luck but what happened to their agility ):
Archer still be E huh, though with increased strength Ig xD
I'm ngl about Rider I expected to see his stats even lower than that because of how much you talk about ranking them down xD don't take this as a cue please I'm just noting an observarion you shouldn't bully him more than you already did
That's a huge improvement in the mana stat for Berserker :0 I am in awe
Tbh I don't know how you go about assigning and editing the stats (I try hard to baes it off the legends since iirc that's how its done in canon and now with a clearer idea of the stories I can have clearer ideas for the stats too) but they look rather reasonable to me. I updated my chart with the new Servant parameters. I love how the best luck stat is B. Most of the stats are mixed up pretty nicely I think, except for Agility which is just Bs and As with Caster's C as the only outlier (should I rank it up? Rank it down for a little variety maybe? :D?) and yeah I think in general Caster is the one with the lowest stats though that makes sense because of his class, and for the "best" stats I think it depends on what one considers to be the priority, but Saber and Berserker have nice stats both in terms of balance and rank.
I still have the class skills from the first infodump we did. I just don't have Archer's Magic Resistance stat.
Conclusions: The group has high agility and low luck. Can they make up for their luck by running away from their problems?
By the way, this is something I meant to ask a while ago but iirc there is a way for Masters to see Servants' stats unless they're protected by a skill/NP, right? I think I remember reading something like that or seeing it implied in one of the animes but right now I don't have access to the source material. 

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May 27, 2023 22:48:16  #7123


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

I wanted to propose focusing on our AUs for next chatting session (which will have to be tomorrow. I'm dead tired today I'm sorry), especial F/DA maybe? I'm not sure what else exactly there is to be talked about rn, but sincd that's what I'm currently focusing on, I think I might have an easier time talking it out.
This doesn't mean to bar other topics. I'm just stating a preference, and anyways we have a ton of things to discuss lol. Have a good night! As always, I'll let you know when I'm available.


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May 27, 2023 22:49:36  #7124


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Am thinking of the meme that goes "Why did you give X a knife" "because they said they felt unsafe" "Now I feel unsafe" "I'm sorry, would you like a knife"


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May 28, 2023 04:06:38  #7125


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[F/DA Updates]
Funnily enough, yesterday I also had actual commentary on the updates but spent so long on making the height charts that I forgot lol. Sorry.
(Sunny's height is the perfect height to give Caster headpats. What other reason were you expecting? Genes? The other reason is that I wanted to give him something in comparison to Helge and Ambryll lol)
Are you joining in with Archer in making fun of Dion or something xD I did notice that he's shorter than Ianthe but not to the extent of being tiny. 
(*squints*) Idk what reality you live in where 158 cm-2 cm=10 cm

I could make their stats B, E, B, E, - to match what you saw there (jk) (the "-" means their luck is nonexistent probably) but they are indeed baby...in their own little way at least lol
But anyways, the explanation for their agility? F/DA Saber is less skilled of a fighter compared to their GGaD self, and less agile too. The last version of their stats was more so based off their GGaD self with some story changes, but I did a pretty big rehaul lol. Yay for their luck increase tho. 
Archer's strength increased but so did Lancer's, which was hilarious to me xD. He didn't change much in any department, he's just Wiley lol. At this point he might as well change his name to WilEy I. Perrault. Or his middle initial to E instead of I. xD
Like I said, I need more time to pwn all his stats to D (: but speaking more seriously, I didn't do so much because there's bullying in other components as well, not to mention I can pwn these parameters further through the Master adjustment factor. Which as I mentioned needs to be discussed with you for most of these Servants. Plus I can't make him too bad in the stats compartment because it wouldn't make sense as a whole, and I don't really want someone (especially Berserker) to kinda just. Pwn him canonically. So yeah, thankfully, there are some things helping him but mostly it's just prolonged bullying lol
as you may or may not come to notice, this technically ties to Rider's themes and stuff lol

I'm happy they look reasonable. I tried to make them such, after all, though I know that roleplaying-wise I might not show it as well. For example, Berserker's modified stats have less modifications than before, and btw his base luck is higher than its shown rank lol, complain about it @Ianthe (boy is it weird not calling her Aereon). And I adjusted lore as needed for some of these cases as well.
Anyways, I'm just trying to say that I probably go about stats in a similar way to you, though I have different interpretations of how they work in canon/in this AU and so it's possible there are some variations. Overall, I'm trying to be fairer for these too, not that they matter too much since I suspect the actual fights/skirmishes will matter more.
Weird little mention but iirc stats are kinda showy even in canon? I bring this up 'cause I noticed that Saber and Berserker have kinda similar stats (both base and modified I believe, though please don't quote me on that), but there is a huge difference in my view in how they perform in fights. Hopefully this won't be a problem caused by me (I say as I probably jinx it lol). 
In general, I'm not comparing the parameters as I reply since I do that on my own and feel like it'd make for an even more disorganized post, but I do hope you won't pwn Caster's agility further. For some reason he strikes me as being surprisingly nimble, and it feels like one more asset that he could use in certain situations. Though I do hope he won't have to use it lol. It's ultimately your choice though, since you know more about his fighting style/skills than I do, and maybe it's a rational decision after comparison with other Casters (in canon ofc), idk.
Archer's Magic Resistance is rank EX. Also he volunteers to lead the pack (in running away from their problems...). In my imagination, Saber and Berserker (with his base stats) have a lil high luck club that absolutely does not function outside of having refreshments on-site lol.
I believe Masters can see Servants' stats as a whole, yes. I mostly remember by Rin getting scared by Berserker in stay night. I think on my end, Archer's stats are concealed to pretty much anyone, though he knows them (kinda like he can read his own fighting game card lol), while Rider's are (unconsciously) only clear to his Master (and not to himself or to enemy Masters/Servants), Saber Does Not Care (and doesn't have the concealment option anyways lol), and Berserker usually doesn't care but will try to conceal them if it concerns his Master. 

[F/DA (kinda)]
Spoilers for one of the story-only missions at the end of the summer event but here's something ig

So you know that segment where Murasaki's in the library dressed in her cosplay uniform, with the bandages and all that?
When I got to the portion where Odysseus comments something like, "Huh, I didn't know Eastern beauties liked this sort of thing" I thought, "Does that mean F/DA Caster is an Eastern beauty too" and I got a weird look from F/DA Sunny xD
Bonus fun fact: If this portion looks disjointed in comparison to the prior tag section you would be right, I typed this first and then got more sane[???] as the night progressed for once

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May 28, 2023 04:12:13  #7126


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Please never apologize for being too tired/not being able to make it to a session lol, it is more than understandable.
I am fine with focusing on F/DA but also getting distracted as always. xD On my end, if I had to narrow the topic down, I think I'd suggest making the Master adjustments to the stats? But it might be because we're talking about it now. I could see it being a case where it's not that important as a current priority lol.
Good night. (I have a perfect mental image of that I.Q. but it's for the A.A., Mamba, and Cheetah, which is a group that doesn't actually fit it all that well lol)

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May 28, 2023 22:20:37  #7127


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

I'm free at last! I'll pop onto chat while I type up replies.


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May 29, 2023 22:23:02  #7128


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

F/DA Saber just pwned me with their cuteness. Thought I'd let you know.

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May 29, 2023 22:26:17  #7129


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

The true baeber


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May 29, 2023 22:31:22  #7130


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Baby

How in the world am I gonna make them anywhere near intimidating for combat xD

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May 29, 2023 22:37:57  #7131


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

They look so cute that the very thought of harming them intimidates their opponent and they win all battles simply by being cute


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May 29, 2023 22:41:41  #7132


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

So Cuteness>Charisma? Why didn't canon just say so smh

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May 29, 2023 22:45:59  #7133


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Cuteness EX


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May 29, 2023 22:47:35  #7134


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Won't have time to reply to much on this thread bc I'm about to go to bed, but is there anything regarding yesterday's chat topic(s) that you'd like me to comment more about when I write things up?


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May 29, 2023 22:51:49  #7135


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

I don't think so, anything else would be new lol. Thanks for asking though. Have a good night and good day too (for tomorrow lol).

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May 30, 2023 17:49:30  #7136


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[F/DA]
Still trying to reply to this. It's normal to forget stuff so don't you worry about that.
We talked that part out in chat, so now I eagerly await the day in which a thread allows for Caster to get headpats.
Lol I was very tired while writing that so I don't really remember what went through my mind (if anything at all) when I typed that but it does look like I was somehow laughing about Dion. He really isn't tiny at all lol.
I got scared for a good while thinking I had done my math the wrong way but then I realized you're talking about Baeber's true height so it's okay. I meant the other height.

Bebé :D I can't say BB because lol, so they're either True Baeber or Bebé to me now (unless it bothers you for some reason in which case I'll just stop the joke)
Makes sense. My stat recalculation was also done based on the updated story versions so I understand.
Archer and Lancer have directly proportional stat increases XD (is this a cue for me to actually raise that B to B+, because I have been questioning that Assassin also has a B in that rank hmm)
Also fun fact: I just realized I never read the I. in Wiley's name correctly. I always say E instead of I.
I'll remember to bring up the stat updates next chat session. Unless you consider it's not relevant anymore. 

I agree that stats don't necessarily dictate the outcome of a battle. I think ability and skills (character skills and Skills) influence the thing and also whatever else might be at play in the moment along with location and etc. As long as we don't completely ignore the stats I think we should be fine xD but like iirc even Fate has its moments where these become kinda irrelevant.
Caster is a curious case. I think I already said what needed to be said about him, so I'll leave it at that to avoid spilling lore by accident lol. I'm worried about seeing the high levels of magic resistance because of something related to him too but we'll see how things play out.
About seeing Servant stats, I like to think the Assassin class's class skill conceals the skills when it's in use, so there's that. Caster's stats can change like I mentioned on chat, and Lancer has clear stats for anyone that might look (unless I change it in the future but I don't see a reason to).

BFDHJBSDFJH THE LAST PART TOOK ME OUT but also I can't wait to show what the bandages are for definitely not to look like an Eastern beauty though xD


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May 30, 2023 17:53:29  #7137


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Also does Saber shoot beams or not
*Has a checklist ready to see if they quality for the Saber class or not*


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May 31, 2023 23:56:02  #7138


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

Sorry for the delay in response; I've "been busy" again :') (in quotation marks because I'm pretty sure my busy is just higher than casual pace for others xD)

[F/DA]
Introducing new questions:
What kind of reader is Aisline? How was she as a child (if this was different than now)? Feel free to interpret this however you'd like; I'll give specifications if you really need it, though.
Also, do Nyoko and Ianthe like history? If they do, how do they interact with the subject and are there particular topics of interest to them? If not, why not? (feel free not to answer the latter though, it doesn't matter as much)

Why would I mind the joke? They're baby.
Tbh Mooncancer is probably one of the classes farthest from them lol. I can't say they're True Baeber though, that's probably Saber from F/sn and True Baby is obviously Caren. 
That was a cue to increase Lancer's Strength to B+ and Assassin's to A, obviously. We can't have anyone being stronger than Assassin. 
So you pronounced Wiley's name as Willy and then as WilE Perrault? What's next? Lee P. (Leap)? 

I'll be updating class skills in the next post and discussing them further, 'cause rn I forgot to eat dinner lol.
But before that I have to point out that those bandages don't make Caster look like an Eastern beauty, since he clearly already is one.
Okay, bye now. (You'll see me in the next post tho lol)

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June 1, 2023 02:30:44  #7139


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)

[F/DA Updates]
I'm still not too sure how we should go about changing the stats, so essentially idk how much I can contribute. Just letting you know ahead of time lol.
Here are my current draft versions of my characters' class skills (I think they're called that).

Saber-
Riding C+
Magic Resistance C+

Archer-
Independent Action EX
Magic Resistance EX

Rider-
Riding C
Magic Resistance D-

Berserker-
Mad Enhancement EX
Magic Resistance ?

I love Rider bullying lol.
I was curious as to how much Rider's stats had changed since the last time I told you since it sounded like they didn't change much overall, and it was funny to see that they didn't look like they changed much. Mostly since they changed a lot since the last time and this time but still ended up being about the same.
In case you're wondering, the reason is that I was trying to fit slightly different lore to GGaD's Xuqiao but had to redo it, so ultimately it was like I went in a circle (but also not completely). Lol.
I really like that headcanon about Presence Concealment's relation with parameter visibility, btw. And there was some comment on Caster's stats that I forgot lol.

[Saber]
Oh no, you found about them being Fake Saber. :'(
Oh well. The true criteria is cuteness anyways. (*gestures to Changgong*) See?

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June 1, 2023 11:16:20  #7140


Re: Unlimited Chatting, Planning, and Weird Things ~ (@GalaxE and Spec)


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